Does Rape Culture Exist?

punditfromanotherplanet:

whatiscapitalism:

punditfromanotherplanet:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion.

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

This pretty much settles the (false) question.

If you don’t think crime can be a part of culture, then you’re delusional.

Stop with this either/or BS. Culture can make it easier for people to rationalize crimes… that doesn’t make it somehow STOP being a crime, sheesh.

Fortunately, rational people with common sense and no agenda to peddle can see through this language-manipulation nonsense.

So let me get this straight. Rape has existed for pretty much all of human history (and is a crime, just as falsely accusing someone of rape is a crime) yet, oddly, only in the modern west, in the 21st century — arguably the least oppressive, least violent time and place in human history — rape is now a culture, too. "Rape culture". Seriously. 

 Now EVERYBODY is vaguely guilty. My god! It’s ingenious! It’s perfect! 

Or——-could it be that a tiny group of academics, campus activists, and other conformists, looking to assign random guilt and blame to the guiltless and blameless (instead of actual provable criminals and lawbreakers) just in case they might be suspicious rape-culture-promoters, or because of a birth defect (born male) or are maybe indirectly contributing to this newly-minted social problem…you get the idea. Your basic exercise in finger-pointing and behavior-monitoring.

Meanwhile, this new band of language-conformists and behavior monitors are conveniently expanding their own influence—-oh no, wait, could it be that only a few years ago, somebody just…made the phrase up? And promoted it? And people fell for it?

How on earth did we manage back in 2007, or way back in ancient history, back in like, 2003, before “rape culture” existed? And we just had to call rape a crime?

That must have been, like, the dark ages! 

only in the modern west, in the 21st century”

Uh, no. I… why the heck would anyone even believe that, regardless of how they view this issue? 

Rape culture has existed for drastically longer than our current culture.

I think you’re responding to some weird fringe version of this or some kind of weird straw man.

That said, the idea that since someone “invented” the word that the concept couldn’t have been in play before hand is just silly. Words evolve and are invented, but concepts exist outside of words.

"Sexism" as a word didn’t exist 200 years ago. Does that mean that gender-based bigotry didn’t exist? No.

I mean… lol?

Two communist started following me and 18 conservatives (I assume) stopped following me tonight because I discussed rape culture.

This is why I don’t like tumblr. Annoying individuals and culture. See how that works? ;-)

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Does Rape Culture Exist?

therealkillthetraitor:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion.

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe…

I agree with
consonantscollide
here. I see the whole “rape culture” cop out, and it IS a cop out, removing the blame from the individual. By and large you can go out onto a street, ask anyone if they think rape is bad, and what we should do to rapists, and you’ll likely get the consensus that rape is bad, and people wishing a world of pain tenfold on the rapist what they inflicted on the victim. The reason “rape culture” IS so destructive, in my opinion, is the women who cheapen rape and make it more difficult for actual victims of rape to come out and be believed and not blamed. The best way to prevent rape is NOT to “teach men not to rape” or even to tell girls not to wear certain clothes, it’s self-defense, and knowing how to spot a situation that you should remove yourself from. I’m not going to blame someone for being raped, they went through something horrible, something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy, and it’s not their fault, male or female. Rapists will rape regardless of the laws, regardless of being told NOT to rape, rapists are cowards with power complexes. It’s psychological. It’s dangerous to buy into this “rape culture” thing. I see “rape culture” called as the reason girls are shamed, AKA judged, for their clothing choices, for how many partners they have had sexually, for things like that, when in reality, it’s just being judged. Everyone will judge and be judged, there is no escape from that. Have the self-confidence to continue to do what you’re doing, and fuck what anyone says or thinks of it. If it’s affecting your life so much it’s preventing you from getting jobs and the kind of partner you’re looking for, well that might be a sign you need to change something about yourself. However, that judgement isn’t evidence of “rape culture”. The ignorance of some people in those comments, not evidence of “rape culture”. Can we stop putting new labels on things that are simply judgement, or ignorance?

Bad culture does NOT mean individuals have no choice and aren’t making evil choices.

"Culture" doesn’t mean responsibility doesn’t exist.

"Culture" doesn’t mean morality isn’t a moral choice by an individual.

It’s horrifying that this trips people up.

Does Rape Culture Exist?

sadisticink:

whatiscapitalism:

sadisticink:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion. 

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

It’s nasty. Bye.

Rape culture is a ludicrous idea and absolutely does not exist in Western culture. Even RAINN agrees that there is no cultural influence when it comes to rape.

In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out
the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.
Expecting sex is not a part of rape culture. Cheating is not a part of rape culture. 
Are you some new blogger or did your standards plummet to unusually low levels?

Uh, “expecting” isn’t the same as “owing” it, and I never remotely implied cheating was.

Nobody says that rape is “caused” without conscious individual choice. Good lord, this isn’t complicated.

Stop with the either/or BS. It’s so annoying.

Individual action? Exists.

Bad culture? Exists.

Individual actions are not culture. Rape culture is a term used to imply that rape is considered okay and excused by society, and Western culture doesn’t even get close to that. Rape is one of the worst crime an individual may commit to the point that an accusation will destroy one’s reputation, even if the accused is found innocent. A victim of rape in the western world has access to copious laws and legal avenues to go to for help, and on college campuses there is only the absolute minimum of evidence required to “convict” the accused. Rape is not condoned, excused, thought of as okay or tolerated in the Western world, and therefore Rape Culture is an asinine idea.

Fine, feeling owed sex is not rape culture, either. Expecting and feeling owed are essentially identical, so differentiating between the two is largely pointless. Neither are rape culture, so I’m not sure where you’re taking this other than out of your ass.

Culture isn’t all of a society. Some entire societies might have rape culture (some Islamic societies come to mind), but in a nation like the US, “culture” can be extremely, extremely fragmented and localized.

Culture is made up of individual actions that often create an environment that encourage other individual action.

In no scenario does “culture” justify evil individual behavior. This is not remotely implied or suggested.

And yes, being “owed” something means it’s yours for the taking… that’s the rhetoric and train of thought at play.

If you owe me $50, I can have it forced from you. That’s what a debt is.

NOBODY owes anybody sex. Nobody.

Does Rape Culture Exist?

ayoungconservativeblog:

whatiscapitalism:

ayoungconservativeblog:

whatiscapitalism:

ayoungconservativeblog:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion.

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe…

"Rape Culture" is the biggest crock of shit ever thought up by someone seeking attention. Our culture is VERY anti rape as a whole.

Culture isn’t monolithic, so no. 

When a girl is raped, there’s a massive chance she’ll be demonized as having “asked for it” for having “caused it”, etc.

People often make up excuses for the attacker, etc.

This is what is part of rape culture. 

It does NOT mean that:

a) Individual action doesn’t exist.

b) Rapists are somehow not individually evil.

c) All men are somehow guilty of anything.

There is a slim chance of that happening, from What I’ve seen on my college campus and in general. People don’t take rape as lightly as some morons on a comment section. Rape is one of the most thoroughly investigated and fastest falling crime rates in the nation(I’m on mobile or I would Find some links)

I have multiple friends who would disagree due to personal experience of culture that somehow doesn’t exist.

People defend their social ecosystems. Sometimes, that means rationalizing the behavior of predators.

Good God, I know parents who attacked their daughters after being told that their pastor assaulted them. It takes a culture of cover up to hide abuse in many organizations — organizations I have PERSONALLY been a part of as a member as a child.

And no, these people aren’t all part of some single organization. It’s rampant.

This doesn’t mean that /all/ of culture is anything… there is no monolithic culture. “Culture” is just about inclinations in groups. That’s it.

If i know people who have experienced it, and I’ve seen it first hand, and there are countless others who report it… by all that could possibly be holy, be man enough to admit that some terminology liberals use might be appropriate, whether those liberals misapply it sometimes or not.

This is no time for reactionary thinking. Analyze the concepts at play.

I don’t disagree that some liberal terminology may be correct, but this is not. As you have said yourself culture does not Support one thing or another, thus it cannot Support rape. Rapists are treated horribly, on the streets, in prison, after prison if they are allowed to go free. There are tons of programs and such to help the victims of rape in any way possible. I have friends who have been raped, all of whom received help as soon as they came forward(generally Very soon) and none of whom have been put down for what happened to them.

I never said that… I said culture isn’t monolithic. That means it’s not like its own entity that is universally a certain way.

As in, rape culture isn’t “disproved” if you find a bunch of people who aren’t a part of it anymore than “gun culture” is disproved by people who don’t own guns.

There are warring cultural ideas… and rape culture is what we should be fighting. It’s EXTREMELY important to understand, because until we understand that there are cultural ideas at stake, we can’t successfully fully beat it.

Even vague references to the Bible can’t help us here… I know of too much of this /within/ religious circles.

Does Rape Culture Exist?

ayoungconservativeblog:

whatiscapitalism:

ayoungconservativeblog:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion.

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe…

"Rape Culture" is the biggest crock of shit ever thought up by someone seeking attention. Our culture is VERY anti rape as a whole.

Culture isn’t monolithic, so no. 

When a girl is raped, there’s a massive chance she’ll be demonized as having “asked for it” for having “caused it”, etc.

People often make up excuses for the attacker, etc.

This is what is part of rape culture. 

It does NOT mean that:

a) Individual action doesn’t exist.

b) Rapists are somehow not individually evil.

c) All men are somehow guilty of anything.

There is a slim chance of that happening, from What I’ve seen on my college campus and in general. People don’t take rape as lightly as some morons on a comment section. Rape is one of the most thoroughly investigated and fastest falling crime rates in the nation(I’m on mobile or I would Find some links)

I have multiple friends who would disagree due to personal experience of culture that somehow doesn’t exist.

People defend their social ecosystems. Sometimes, that means rationalizing the behavior of predators.

Good God, I know parents who attacked their daughters after being told that their pastor assaulted them. It takes a culture of cover up to hide abuse in many organizations — organizations I have PERSONALLY been a part of as a member as a child.

And no, these people aren’t all part of some single organization. It’s rampant.

This doesn’t mean that /all/ of culture is anything… there is no monolithic culture. “Culture” is just about inclinations in groups. That’s it.

If i know people who have experienced it, and I’ve seen it first hand, and there are countless others who report it… by all that could possibly be holy, be man enough to admit that some terminology liberals use might be appropriate, whether those liberals misapply it sometimes or not.

This is no time for reactionary thinking. Analyze the concepts at play.

If your understanding of rape on any level is based on some kind of reactionary “that’s liberal and stupid” or “that’s conservative and stupid” thinking, then good God, stop.

If there’s any topic where critical thinking and rationality are needed, this is it.

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Does Rape Culture Exist?

ayoungconservativeblog:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion.

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe…

"Rape Culture" is the biggest crock of shit ever thought up by someone seeking attention. Our culture is VERY anti rape as a whole.

Culture isn’t monolithic, so no. 

When a girl is raped, there’s a massive chance she’ll be demonized as having “asked for it” for having “caused it”, etc.

People often make up excuses for the attacker, etc.

This is what is part of rape culture. 

It does NOT mean that:

a) Individual action doesn’t exist.

b) Rapists are somehow not individually evil.

c) All men are somehow guilty of anything.

Does Rape Culture Exist?

sadisticink:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion. 

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

It’s nasty. Bye.

Rape culture is a ludicrous idea and absolutely does not exist in Western culture. Even RAINN agrees that there is no cultural influence when it comes to rape.

In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out
the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.
Expecting sex is not a part of rape culture. Cheating is not a part of rape culture. 
Are you some new blogger or did your standards plummet to unusually low levels?

Uh, “expecting” isn’t the same as “owing” it, and I never remotely implied cheating was.

Nobody says that rape is “caused” without conscious individual choice. Good lord, this isn’t complicated.

Stop with the either/or BS. It’s so annoying.

Individual action? Exists.

Bad culture? Exists.

Does Rape Culture Exist?

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion. 

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

It’s nasty. Bye.

Comment section on article apparently = the whole of western society. In fact, some commenters (but not the one who agree with the flow chart) = the whole of western society.

You’re an idiot. Bye.

Culture =/= whole of western society. 

"GUN CULTURE DON’T EXIST OR EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO OWN A GUN LOL"

Don’t be dense. We’re talking about rape. Of all the times to get over partisan bickery, this is the damn time to do so.

What about RAINN (You know the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network)? They believe blaming a rape culture is harmful to both preventing rape and helping rape victims overcome their victimization.

Also, by your definition we have a murder culture, a kidnapping culture, a child abuse culture, an assault culture, a theft culture… 

If you seriously believe our culture is pro-rape (which is what Rape Culture stands for) and your evidence is internet commentary…

You’re an idiot.

If all you do is talk about culture without talking about individualism, then that’s dumb. I’m not doing that and never have.

If we had a culture where victims of theft felt ashamed to admit it because they’d be attacked and humiliated by “friends” and family and blamed and seen as trash… sure. 

Our entire culture isn’t pro or anti anything. That’s not how culture works. Stop trying to make it either/or.

Don’t be mean to people on the internet, it just hurts you instead of them.

Where the hell in our culture do we see things reinforcing shame on people who’ve been raped? Where are the movies? The TV shows? Influential speakers? Politicians? Writers? Musicians?

There are individual rape apologists, there are individual rapists, there are individual murder apologists. There are individuals who defend and do awful things. 

I’m not denying their existence.

I’m denying the fact that the CULTURE (which is not individualism, duh, individuals make up a culture, but are not a culture onto themselves…) says or reinforces these ideas. Rape Culture is the idea that the whole of western society, with her patriachal values, supports, condones, and encourages the rape of women by men to keep them subjugated. If you mean something else, find a different word or phrase. But when you support the idea of Rape Culture that is what your insinuating.

Nothing on RAINN? You got nothing to say to the people who go out and actually work with rape victims who say people like you are making their jobs harder? You just gonna float that one? You automatically view them with suspicion? Are they secret rape apologists for not buying into some bullshit social marxism?

Also how does reinforcing the idea that you’re an idiot hurt me in any way?

"Where the hell in our culture do we see things reinforcing shame on people who’ve been raped?"

Oh God, I’m done.

What Individualism Isn’t

It doesn’t make you a good individualist to pretend that culture doesn’t exist, or that culture can’t be more than just the actions of a single person.

Rejecting any understanding of “society” as though it’s “collectivism” just shows that you have no understanding of either.

Society exists.

The individual exists.

Neither concept makes the other useless. They’re both useful for analyzing human issues.

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Does Rape Culture Exist?

punditfromanotherplanet:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion.

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

This pretty much settles the (false) question.

If you don’t think crime can be a part of culture, then you’re delusional.

Stop with this either/or BS. Culture can make it easier for people to rationalize crimes… that doesn’t make it somehow STOP being a crime, sheesh.

Does Rape Culture Exist?

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion. 

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

It’s nasty. Bye.

Comment section on article apparently = the whole of western society. In fact, some commenters (but not the one who agree with the flow chart) = the whole of western society.

You’re an idiot. Bye.

Culture =/= whole of western society. 

"GUN CULTURE DON’T EXIST OR EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO OWN A GUN LOL"

Don’t be dense. We’re talking about rape. Of all the times to get over partisan bickery, this is the damn time to do so.

What about RAINN (You know the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network)? They believe blaming a rape culture is harmful to both preventing rape and helping rape victims overcome their victimization.

Also, by your definition we have a murder culture, a kidnapping culture, a child abuse culture, an assault culture, a theft culture… 

If you seriously believe our culture is pro-rape (which is what Rape Culture stands for) and your evidence is internet commentary…

You’re an idiot.

If all you do is talk about culture without talking about individualism, then that’s dumb. I’m not doing that and never have.

If we had a culture where victims of theft felt ashamed to admit it because they’d be attacked and humiliated by “friends” and family and blamed and seen as trash… sure. 

Our entire culture isn’t pro or anti anything. That’s not how culture works. Stop trying to make it either/or.

Don’t be mean to people on the internet, it just hurts you instead of them.

If you need some kind of sexist narrative about how women “don’t like nice guys” or how women “owe” you sex because of something she’s wearing or something…

…they don’t want to have sex with you because you’re a loser.

Just be a guy worth having sex with and don’t be a loser. You’re welcome.

And no, this isn’t some kind of liberal BS. This is a right-wing guy who doesn’t like pathetic modern wusses.

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Does Rape Culture Exist?

consonantscollide:

whatiscapitalism:

Yes, and anyone who doesn’t think so should be viewed with suspicion. 

Read the comments here.

Massive numbers of conservatives who believe that women can totally “owe” sex to men… or else cheating and everything else is justified by the men.

It’s nasty. Bye.

Comment section on article apparently = the whole of western society. In fact, some commenters (but not the one who agree with the flow chart) = the whole of western society.

You’re an idiot. Bye.

Culture =/= whole of western society. 

"GUN CULTURE DON’T EXIST OR EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO OWN A GUN LOL"

Don’t be dense. We’re talking about rape. Of all the times to get over partisan bickery, this is the damn time to do so.

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